What does good leadership mean to you?
I think it is firstly about being a good role model and then being supportive. Leadership is not about having the leader do everything, it is about how you can enable your team to do the work. Allow your team to strive and learn and they can progress. You and the team can achieve your goals together.
Can you share some of the challenges that you've faced in the sector?
I have found that learning and understanding technical information has been okay for me, because I just need to reach out and ask. There are experts and people who are always willing to help, if you are willing to learn. This makes things easy to solve.
The bigger challenge for me, over many years of my career, has been when I feel like I need to put effort into being seen and being heard. Especially for me, being a quieter person. I used to only speak when I was sure I was 100% correct. This was a really big challenge for me to overcome. Now I would say, it’s ok to be doubtful, it’s ok to speak up, even if you are not 100% sure. It’s important to be seen and heardand then discuss opinions. As a female and as an Asian female, in a place like engineering where it’s quite male-dominated, I felt pressure to always be technically perfect. But once you establish credibility, you can feel safe to contribute more openly and the people at Main Roads have supported me to ensure my voice is heard.
How did you push yourself to achieve more and be more visible?
I talk to myself and ask, what is the consequence if I say something wrong? It becomes okay because I am also in a safe environment. I’m lucky that I have been in workplaces that are safe to speak up. In my team we can have a discussion and talk through everyone’s ideas and opinions. That is what good team environments look like. In the past, there have been times when I haven’t spoken up and haven’t said anything and things turned out exactly how I was thinking. So, I would say, believing in yourself is important.
What does your role and area look like in terms of participation and visibility of women?
I'm currently the only female in my branch and we have almost 20 people. A few women come and go, but not many tend to stay for long, maybe because it is technical. In the broader field, we are encouraging women into STEM and have many opportunities for leadership roles in these technical areas. Main Roads WA is a state government agency and have flexible working arrangements which makes it a great and supportive place to work.
Locally, there might not be a lot of women interested in this type of work, but nationally I’m seeing a growing number of women pursuing careers in this area. There seems to be a strong push to get young ladies interested in STEM and to encourage women into leadership roles. I can see in the future it should be better and better.
I am still surprised that the ratio of girls in engineering degrees is not as high as I would expect in a developed country like Australia. I’m not sure why, maybe public perception of engineering being difficult.We have a long journey to go to change the perception.
Do you have any advice or thoughts you'd want to share about being in your role?
The technology side of things is quite exciting. Technology changes in the transport sector are moving rapidly, which means there are so many new things happening and many opportunities. It’s a really interesting period to work in the transport sector, with technologies shaping the future like connected vehicles, autonomous vehicles and AI all happening. It’s rapidly changing and challenging with enormous potential to shape the future.
In terms of your personal life, how does having a family with two small children fit into your overall schedule?
Yeah, it has been challenging, especially the first few years. I think one thing I had in mind when planning for kids was that I don't want to give up my career for children. I took maternity leave and then returned to work full time. This means I have been super busy for the past few years. But I am lucky that my husband is very supportive, while also working full time as an engineer. We share household chores, cooking and other things while training the kids up so they can help too.
My husband does the morning drop off and I do the afternoon pick up for schools. That means, my time is super valuable for me. Sometimes I don’t have five extra minutes to talk because I need to go home and pick up the kids. I need to wake up at a certain time otherwise I won’t have enough time to do everything and get our lives sorted.
One thing I want to highlight is that women usually are really good at organising. As there are many things to plan for, both work and personal life, and you have to find the time and energy. Getting support from friends and family is super important too. Occasionally when I really need a break, I would take some time off and ask family to help taking care of the kids. This gives me a chance to recharge and focus on myself.